How to deal with America & the west. And somthing I wish conservatives would understand.
Americans have been lied to, not evil. We would not support wars if we have not been lied to.
Muslims, if you hate the U.S.’s support Israel, you can start by stop saying stuff like “Death to America“ & otherwise disrespecting non-Muslims. Jew-bashing will absolutely destroy your optics (public image), so I suggest cutting out Jew haters.
Drop the tribalism. Seriously, your tribalism is how you have this much territory against one of the smallest countries in the world & you somehow still fail. The Israelis are laughing their heads off at you. I’ll get back to talking about tribalism in a minute.
This has been going on at the very least since Mesopotamia (Understanding Mesopotamian Civilization., 15:05-16:01), where governments abused their own people, & people never knew life under a benevolent or even a humane government, except for the First Persian empire, which is a big reason why there is no social cohesion.
Take a hint from the East Asian countries (specifically, countries like Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, & even Vietnam), & have good or at least have cordial relations with the west instead of hating the west.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Japan_Vietnam_Locator_2.svg)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Four_Asian_Tigers_with_flags.svg)
Having cordial relations does not make you a puppet state. Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, & Japan all have their own military-industrial complexes separate from the U.S. (they don’t buy everything from America or the west). Singapore & South Korea had only token (insignificant) deployments in the Persian Gulf, Iraq & Afghnistan wars, Japan has only done anti-piracy & peacekeeping-type of deployments & not combat deployments, & Taiwan has not been involved in any American wars since the Vietnam war.
South Korea & Japan both routinely do business with Iran (namely buying oil), which is an enemy of Israel & Saudi Arabia. And doing things like exporting machinery than can make quiet submarine propellers to the Soviet Union does not sound like something an American puppet state would do (Toshiba-Kongsberg Incident).
I would argue that it is in your own interest to have good relations with the west. Just look at how developed & rich Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, & Japan all are. The least 3 are big technology exporters to the west, & Japan is especially notable for its cultural exports. South Korea went from being one of the poorest countries in the world to being well within the 15 largest (now the 10th largest) economies, having a larger economy than countries such as Mexico, Brazil, or Russia, all of which have much larger populations. Singapore went from being nothing to one of the richest countries with the highest standards of living on the face of the planet in a single generation, & Taiwan went from being even regionally weak to major technological power (possibly even technological superpower) in the world by developing, manufacturing & exporting semiconductors.
If you don’t want to look to the kafir for examples & need examples from fellow Muslims, look at Morocco, Turkey, Albania, Jordan, Malaysia, Brunei, & to a lesser degree, Indonesia. They all buy western military hardware (Turkey still has the iconic American M1 Garand rifle & M1 helmet for ceremonial use, & Morocco is the only country on the African continent, other than Egypt, to have the M1 Abrams tank & F-16 Fighting Falcon jet fighter) & has conducted training with western military forces. “Relations between the Kingdom of Morocco and the United States of America date back to the American Revolutionary War (1775–1783) and specifically since 1777 when the sultan Mohammed ben Abdallah became the first monarch to help the United States.“ Albania & Turkey are members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, & Malaysia is a member of the Five Power Defence Arrangements with Singapore, which is has strained relations with. Turkey has gotten into fights from territorial disputes with Greece & Cyprus, & Indonesia has had several military confrontations against the west, but has not held a grudge & isolated itself against the west.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moroccan-American_Treaty_of_Peace_and_Friendship_01.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moroccan-American_Treaty_of_Peace_and_Friendship_02.jpg)
(Turkish soldiers being deployed at the Korean War in 1950)
(Turkish Soldier Reunites With The Girl He Saved In The Korean War After 65 Years)
U.S. Air Force Special Tactics Commandos training with Jordanian special operations forces
(DVIDS - Images - Malaysia amphibious assault [Image 31 of 33])
(DVIDS - Images - AFFHWC (PLAZA) CHOD Indonesia [Image 22 of 24])
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Then again, Malaysia, Brunei & Indonesia are in Southeast Asia & not the Middle East, Morocco is far away from Israel or Saudi Arabia & do not come into conflict with them, which is why they have better relations with America & the West.
A country can not act coherently if tribal identity is stronger than the national identity. A reason why Syria has had a better time standing up to Israel compared to other Arab states is because of civic nationalism, which lets it act in a coherent manner. You are not a Sunni, Shiite, Christian, Kurd, or X tribe, Y tribe, or Z tribe. You are a Syrian.
Many of those points were made in a talk about anti-war activist Ryan Dawson & half-Persian journalist Andrew Illingworth in a video called Iran (it’s more like an audio recording, as that there are no visuals), which I really want Muslims to go listen to.
A reason why the west is so successful comes from the ability to organised, which comes from being a more forgiving culture. In contrast to desert nomads to live in atomized tribes, westerners are capable cooperation because people judge each other as individuals & not groups & have a culture of forgiveness. Being forgiving may not be so important on an individual scale, but it is crucial on a societal scale if society is going to function.
The constant cycle of violence from vengeance is the reason why Africa & the Middle East are fucked up. To solve conflict in Africa & the Middle East, someone must take the last hit, say ‘enough is enough‘, & end the violence.
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Collectivism, Mutli-Culturalism, Religion(s) just watch 6:32-9:03
UK bombing reaction and thoughts about assimilation
The reason behind middle eastern & northeast African people being so bad at dealing with outsiders is because their cultures were nomads for millennia, & never had to get along with people outside of their tribes. Momentum & extreme social conservatism is how they are stuck in a tribal mindset in the industrial age when you need diplomacy in order to get power & have anyone outside of your tribe take you seriously.
A strategic weakness I see with conservative cultures is that they are good at making enemies.
A couple of examples are
this comments thread (archive)
&
Where right-wing Christians, in a nutshell, believe that atheists are prone to evil.
One part of this comes from a combination of strongly valuing purity & loyalty.
We’ve seen this happen with the Crusaders losing potential allies such has the Byzantines & the Emirate of Damascus for not accepting Catholics, the German National Socialists not compromising on their racial views & thus losing most of Eastern Europe as potential allies against the Soviet Union, the modern Islamist Wahabi movement alienating non-Wahabis, or the Imperial Japanese making terrible decisions such as declaring war on countries 12 times their population & casually committing atrocities such as torturing & murdering civilians & prisoners of war, headhunting, the Rape of Nanjing & general war rape, medical experimentation on live victims with Unit 731, & so on.
This is talked about from 7:07 to 13:00 & 18:54 to 21:41 in
The 6 Most Extreme Societies Ever(We’re One).
Another part of this is that conservatives tend to be more tribal & provincial, or in other words, have a particularist mindset, while leftists tend to be cosmopolitan, or universalist mindset which is why conservatism is strong in rural areas & island societies while leftism is strong in urban areas;
Ep. 1823 Our Irreconcilable Division, and What Should Happen Next
Anywheres vs somewheres in practical politics
On a subconscious level, conservatives think that they are fighting an enemy tribe. Conservatives subconsciously associate humility with weakness. Conservatives’ hatred of being perceived as weak probably comes from tribal human nature, in which having your tribe being perceived as weak by enemy tribes means that your tribe gets attacked more & is more likely to be killed. This also explains why conservatives are so obsessed with masculinity, & particularly explains why Trump has a far stronger cult following than better spoken, more articulate (& more intelligent) figures such as Ron Paul (Dave Smith’s Part of the Problem – Ep. 704 – CPAC and How The Conservatives Lost Everything).
This also relates to honor culture, with for example, having a reputation for giving violent retribution against anyone who steals your herd animals is a way to discourage theft. The same would definitely apply if you were a desert nomad, who can not afford to have your food & water stolen from you or you will face starvation & dehydration, which are absolutely terrible ways to die in the desert;
It is actually neurologically, scientifically true that conservatives have larger amygdalas than leftists & why they find more threats in the world (& among western conservatives, do a better job at factoring reality into their worldview); Differences in negativity bias underlie variations in political ideology, Conservatives Big on Fear, Brain Study Finds.
We are also little more than hunter-gatherer apes, which is why we default to thinking & acting tribal & irrational.
Here’s an excerpt from How to Kill a Civilization….;
“In most societies in history, chaos was seen as the ultimate evil. In a world with droughts, barbarian invasions, & nearly endless war, change was often seen as bad & the ultimate aim of the population was towards boring stability. Under these conditions, people actively stood against change, & the ultimate aim of society was to return to some distant golden age, rather that was the Prophet Mohammed’s generation, perfect Confucianism, or perfect inter-Caste relations. This has consistently been a problem with Asian civilizations, in which the networks of dependency that people need to maintain irrigation agriculture prioritizes cooperation over conflict & serenity over progress.
We see in the years after the horrors of the Black Death & Mongol Conquests (& the rise of Syphilis), India, China, & Islam turned towards rabid conservatism, trying to perfect traditional ways of being. Women were subjugated, sexual morays became intense, merchants were crushed in exchange for more virtuous classes, & any non religiously based intellectual thought was forbidden.”
What conservatives are looking for is comfort through stability, which makes sense in a chaotic, scary world.
To have a better psychological & sociological understanding of conservatives, here are some videos to listen to & articles:
Videos:
The Origins of War in Child Abuse | Lloyd deMause and Stefan Molyneux
Articles:
12 Proven Facts about Honor Cultures
5 Types of Honor-Shame Cultures
We can either be rational, civilized human beings,
(Federation history | Memory Alpha)
, or just be shit-throwing primates (I’m looking at you tribalists out there)…
(This is Why Chimpanzees Throw Their Poop at Us)
"One thing I learned traveling the world when I was contracting with DoD was that if you treat the locals in a respectful manner so that they see you as a friend, the less likely they'll try to kill you in your sleep.
Not only that, they're more likely to open up and talk about things they shouldn't which can be quite the intel bonanza.
Not only that, it's just mentally easier to treat people nicely and you leave a good impression of your country on them that can benefit your fellow countrymen who may be travelling in your footsteps one day." - Iball nonya